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Jordan Peterson and a Lesson on Critical Thinking for Liberals


I came across Jordan Peterson from listening to the Joe Rogan podcast.  I’m a fan of Rogan’s podcast because of the diversity of guests that he has on his show, and the subject matter of those talks.  I hadn’t heard of Peterson before Rogan’s podcast, but was interested in what he had to say.  Peterson is is a Canadian clinical psychologist and professor of psychology at the University of Toronto, and has been teaching for over thirty years.  It only took a quick Google search to realize what a controversial figure he is.  He’s been vilified by liberals and Social Justice Warriors for his criticism of transgender people (more on that below), ‘safe spaces’ on college campuses, women and gender studies, and activism.  At first glance, I could see some of the issue that liberals had with Peterson, but his talk on Rogan’s podcast made me think there was more to this issue then what lies at the surface.  After to listening to 12-14 hours worth of lectures, interviews, and podcasts of Peterson, I have a few thoughts on this guy.  Put simply; I think the Left is wrong about Peterson and here’s why:

Peterson’s notoriety has come about in large part for his outspoken protest of Senate bill C-16; legislation that would add gender identity and gender expression as a protected class in the Human Rights Act and the Criminal Code.  It would mean that gender identity and gender expression would be added to the already-lengthy list of protected classes — which includes “color, race, religion, national or ethnic origin, age, sex, sexual orientation, or mental or physical disability.  The problem, as Peterson saw it, was not that transgendered individuals where being covered under anti-discrimination laws, it was a point in the bill that said that refusing to call someone by the personal pronoun of their choosing was considered harassment/discrimination.  This list of pronouns goes way beyond the typical “he”, “she”, or “they”, but includes a number of made-up words such as “vey”, “himer”, “shkle”,  “ze”, etc.  Peterson sees this as compelled speech and a violation of free speech.  He argues that there is no evidence to demonstrate that this sort of compelled speech would in any way help the trans community, and may actually be harmful.  His push back to this legislation drew national attention to the bill and criticism from transgender activists, faculty, and labor unions, and who accused Peterson of fostering a climate of hate.

Now, I would argue that out of respect for another person, we should use the pronoun they choose.  But I agree with Peterson that respect cannot be forced; no one should be forced to speak in a certain manner.  I may disagree with his refusal to use alternate pronouns out of principle, but I fully agree that we cannot expect compelled speech to solve the issues the trans community faces.  I take real issue with the knee-jerk reaction of liberals in calling Peterson “trans-phobic” (he has stated numerous times that he has no issue with transgendered persons) and refusing to hear what his real issue with the bill is.

Another issue that Peterson speaks on frequently that often gets misunderstood is feminism.  Of particular interest is the subject of the so-called wage gap.  I’m sure everyone has seen the statistics that point out that women make 80 percent of what men make.  This sounds like an alarming case of inequality on the surface, but once you dig deeper you find that it’s not that simple.  One get’s the idea in their heads of two people – one a man, one a women – doing the same job, for the same amount of time, and have equal experience, but one the women is getting $.80 for every $1.00 the man makes.  But that’s simply not the case.  The statistic doesn’t take into account things such as:

  • Women are more likely to stay home with their children
  • Women are more likely to work part-time jobs because they have children
  • Men are more likely to do dangerous and/or physically demanding work then women
  • Men tend to gravitate towards jobs in the STEM field which on average pay more then other jobs
  • Men tend to work more hours then women

Recent studies have shown that when these factors are taken into account, the gap is actually only a few cents.  This isn’t to say that sexism and discrimination don’t exist in certain work forces.  Although the entire pay gap is not the result of labor market discrimination, a fraction of it might be.  However, continuing to sight false statistics does nothing to address issues of real discrimination women may face.

This relates to the issue of equality, an ideology that one often finds espoused by liberals, but in too simplistic of terms.  Peterson points out that there is a difference between equality of opportunity vs equality of outcome.  Equal opportunity means that there is a level playing field for everyone to pursue whatever they want; education, careers, etc.  Equal outcome means that we rig the system so that are an equal number of people in each field, i.e, an equal number of men and women, an equal number of minorities to Caucasians, etc.  The problem with this is that rather then the best person for the job being selected, people are often put into positions simply to fill a quota.  On the flip side, you create pressure on people to pursue jobs  that they may not be interested in.

What studies have found is that when a society creates a system of equal opportunity, the differences among men and women actually increase.  In Scandinavian countries, where efforts have been made to make society more egalitarian, we find that the differences in certain work fields between men and women actually increases.  For example, men make up over 80 percent of engineers in Norway and programs to recruit men into nursing has been a dismal failure – almost 90 percent of nurses are still female!  As Peterson puts it, in truly egalitarian societies, “the genuine differences between people are free to manifest themselves”.

These finding fly in the face of feminists and gender theorists who say biology doesn’t matter at all; what matters is social expectations. Yet evolutionary psychologists insist that biology matters a lot.  It would seem that biology does play a significant role in determining a person’s vocational and career choices.

When it come the issue of Social Justice Warriors, Peterson has some advice.  Simply put – “If you can’t even clean your own room, who the hell are you to give advice to the world?”  This comes from the observation that many in the SJW have very grandiose ideas about changing the world, yet are unable to keep their own lives in order.  Their insistence on changing other people is often a projection of their inability to make changes in their own lives.  Peterson offers some simple advice for making changes around you – Start by cleaning your room.   “Start from yourself and work outward”.  Start by cleaning your room and getting yourself in order, then you see what you can do for your neighborhood, your community, then your town, and move out from there.


I’ve come to the conclusion that much of the controversy surrounding Peterson stems from the fact that he is simply things about issues on a more intellectual level then the average person.  He is well-read, well-educated, and very intelligent.  Most of what he says goes way over most people’s heads.

In a society where opinions are boiled down to soundbites and 140 characters-or-less, having thoughtful, nuanced discussions of complex issues isn’t appealing to most people.  We want quick, simple answers.  We want things to be black and white.  This goes for both the Right and the Left.  Peterson doesn’t fall into that trap. It’s easy to take a few sentences you hear online and slap a label on him, but that’s intellectual laziness.  In order to understand Peterson, one must listen to everything he has to say on the issue; to hear him out.

This isn’t to say that I agree with everything Peterson has to offer.  I think that he remains ignorant of the plights of minority groups.  His advice to parents to send their kids to trade school instead of college (despite being a college professor) because they’re “run by Neo-Marxists” reeks like some paranoid, conspiracy theory nonsense.  His advice towards women about needing to have kids to feel whole certainly raises my eyebrows.

My point is that Jordan Peterson provides some balance and rationality to the liberal vs conservative debate.  He demonstrates that liberals are just as capable of making the same quick, emotionally charged judgment calls that we accuse the Far Right of making.  Peterson, for me, provided a valuable lesson in critical thinking; checking all the facts before rushing to judgement, and not getting swept away in the prevailing sentiments of one’s own “tribe”.

Be skeptical.  Do your research.  Don’t judge with emotions.  Learn from the those who you may consider the “other”.

Thanks for reading.






The Privileged Immunity of Beliefs, and Why They Don’t Deserve It

Recently I came across a post on social media that a friend had shared.  This friend, by all counts, is a left-leaning liberal and makes no apologies about it.  Most days I agree whole-heartedly with what she posts.  This post, however, had me shaking my head a bit:

By now, everyone on social media has seen the rash of “spirit animal”  memes popping up on their news feeds.  Nowadays, EVERYTHING is considered a “spirit animal”, from real animals to fake animals, real people to fictional people, and even inanimate objects.  I have no dog in the fight and find the whole trend annoying.  But, I bring it up as a spring board for a discussion on the topic that I’ve been thinking about for a while now- the censoring of ideas.

As the post above seems to imply, Mari is wanting to shut down the use of “spirit animal” jokes and references, claiming that spirit animals are “sacred”, part of her “deeply help religious beliefs”, and claiming that non-Natives “do not get one” and should use other words.  Mari isn’t the only one denouncing the use of spirit animals.  Articles have been written claiming that non-Natives shouldn’t claim to have spirit animals, or that only Anishinaabe tribes can use them.  Some have gone so far as to argue that it is casual racism.

Should people stop making light of Native American religions, or is this a case of political correctness going too far?  Let’s delve into this issue.

I’ll start by stating this bluntly:

While people intrinsically deserve respect – beliefs/ideas do not.

No belief, ideology, or thought is above reproach; all ideas needs to be on same level playing field of inquiry.

In the marketplace of ideas*, beliefs of every description are attacked from every angle to test how well they stand up to rigorous scrutiny.  This is how ideas are weeded out to determine how well they match up to our current understanding of reality.  The marketplace is responsible for identifying and eradicating those ideas that are based on deception, ignorance, or error.  No idea is immune from this scrutiny, regardless of long it has been around or how strongly held it may be.

Nowhere will you see this call for “criticism immunity” more clearly then in adherents of religion.  There are many who would loudly argue that religious ideas, traditions, and beliefs are somehow “off limits” from criticism, inquiry, or satire.  Some countries have taken this to the extreme in the form of blasphemy laws – laws limiting the freedom of speech and expression relating to blasphemy, or irreverence toward holy personages, religious artifacts, customs, or beliefs.  These laws go so far as to give redress to those who feel insulted on account of their religion.  In some countries, such as Saudi Arabia and Iran, violation of blasphemy laws can be punishable by death.

Here in America, we see this sort of “privileged immunity” come most often from Christians who are quick to cry ‘persecution’ anytime someone attacks, questions, or disrespect their religious beliefs.  Yet, I am also seeing this same sentiment more and more from liberals and atheists.  They are quick to attach labels such as “prejudice”, “racist”, or “phobic” on anyone who points out the harm that religion is causing in the word.  Public figures are often labeled “Islamophobes” for offering up harsh criticism of the religion, a trend that has made many people afraid of speaking out against the atrocities carried out in the name of Islam.  Free-speech fundamentalists will argue that all opinions are deserving of respect and should be given a platform, regardless of how hateful and dangerous they may be.

(RELATED: Why free speech fundamentalists are undermining the case for free speech)

Daniel Dennett famously wrote about this subject in his book Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon, in which he argues that religion is in need of scientific analysis so that its nature and future may be better understood.  The “spell” that requires “breaking” is not religious belief itself but the belief that it is off-limits to or beyond scientific inquiry.  He likened religion to a virus in the way that it protects itself from questioning.  “What a fine protective screen this virus provides,” he observes, “permitting it to shed the antibodies of skepticism effortlessly!”  Dennett is confounded over the notion that it is sacrilegious to question your own beliefs and an insult for anyone else to try – “It is commonly supposed that it is entirely exemplary to adopt the moral teachings of one’s own religion without question… I am urging, on the contrary, that anybody who professes that a particular point of moral conviction is not discussable, not debatable, not negotiable, simply because it is the word of God… should be seen to be making it impossible for the rest of us to take their views seriously, excusing themselves from the moral conversation, inadvertently acknowledging that their own views are not conscientiously maintained and deserve no further hearing. […] Those who are religious and believe religion to be the best hope of humankind cannot reasonably expect those of us who are skeptical to refrain from expressing our doubts if they themselves are unwilling to put their convictions under the microscope.”

I want to emphasize a point I mentioned earlier – When it comes to criticism in this context we are talking about ideas and beliefs, not people.   This is a distinction that needs to be understood.  I am advocating the open discourse of the validity of ideas that people hold to, not the people that are holding to them. (This same concept also applies to the often misunderstood idea of tolerance**) I understand that this can be a tricky path to navigate, as many people hold to their beliefs (especially when it comes to religion) so strongly that to them, a jab against the beliefs can feel like a jab to them personally.  However, this should not stop anyone from calling out bad ideas when we see them.  Some people cannot differentiate between their beliefs and their person, which can lead to attempts at manipulating or intimidating detractors into silence.  I’ll give an example.

A few months ago, a friend of mine who recently de-converted from Christianity posted something on social media which pointed out the ineffectiveness of prayer.  Knowing my friend sense of humor, I posted this in the comments section:

My friend found this admittedly crass joke funny, as did some other people.  One person in particular (we’ll call him “Eric”), however, took offense to it.  He went on a lengthy tirade in the comments section, claiming that “devaluing prayer and my beliefs is an insult” and that we were “attacking him emotionally”.  When pushed by others, Eric responded with threats of Hell – “Those who speak against him [Jesus] and don’t accept him as Lord and Savior are condemned to Hell.”  In one of Eric’s final responses, he claimed that he should have, “the freedom to choose [his beliefs] without insult. It is a human right. A constitutional right. It doesn’t matter if you believe, that is your choice, but to mock those that do with jokes… mocks that freedom.”  As a great example of Christian Exceptionalism – Eric is under the opinion that not only should he have the freedom of religion, but also the freedom of not having his religion/beliefs mocked or critiqued in anyway that makes him feel uncomfortable.  I pointed out to Eric that my comments had not been directed at him, nor did I mention him in any way. It was a joke shared with a friend that Eric happened to come across, took offense to, and then demanded that people not insult his “strongly held beliefs”.  The amount of entitlement it takes for someone to demand that no one ever mock or criticize their religious beliefs on social media is not only astounding, but unfortunately all too common.  As a college professor of mine once said, “There’s a difference between an insult taken and an insult given”.  Eric chose to take offense over a joke that wasn’t aimed at him.  He chose to make the joke about him and not about his beliefs.

“If people can’t control their emotions, then they have to start trying to control other’s behaviors” – Robert Skinner

Personal attachment to religious dogmas should also not persuade skeptics from only going after the low-hanging fruits of religion.  I’ve heard many atheists claim that they don’t really have a problem with religion; it’s fundamentalism they take issue with.  Well, I’m not one of those people.  I do have a problem with religion, particularity Christianity.  Because it’s not just it’s more extreme factions that are causing harm.  As one blogger rightfully points out: “Most damage done by religious beliefs doesn’t involve clinic shootings or suicide bombings: it happens in small, unremarked-on ways, in people’s health and finances and schools and sex lives and relationships, but if you could collect all the tears cried over it, you could put out every burning building on earth.”  

(RELATED: The “Not All Like That” Fallacy and why Christian doctrines inevitably leads to bad behaviors) 

 I often hear people argue that it is OK to be critical of ideas, but not acceptable to make jokes about people’s beliefs (like I did above with the joke about prayer and masturbation).  I firmly disagree.  Trying to limit how one criticizes is just another way of trying to claim privileged immunity.  That being said; again, it is important that one is careful to belittle the belief and not the individual.  The line between satire and outright mockery isn’t always a clear one, but one should make efforts to distinguish the two.  James A. Lindsay explains in Everyone is Wrong About God why satire is important in the marketplace of ideas, specifically when it comes to religious “faith” – “The benefits of satire is helping people see the laughable for what it is.  The sacred, rather by definition, is never funny exactly because ‘sacred’ means little more than always being considered with the utmost seriousness.  It breaks down central taboos and weakens bad ideas.  Humor cuts through the vein pomposity of faith deftly and, if the joke is good enough, permanently.  The power of effective satire is to take the puff out of the sails of faith and expose is as a false virtue that people will want to avoid.  It does so by breaking the powerful taboo on profaning the allegedly sacred.  Once sacredness falls away, the belief in question can more easily be reconsidered and, in many cases, revised.”

Internet memes, jokes about “spirit animals”, standup comedy, etc. are good examples of satire used well.  Regardless of which religion is the butt of the joke, “breaking the taboo” of sacredness is a worthy goal.  Supernatural beliefs should not be encouraged nor respected.  By shining a lot on the nonsensical beliefs, it may make people reconsider and hopefully revise their position.

In summary; people have the right to believe in whatever they want, and should have the freedom to express those beliefs.  But this does not mean that those ideas are off limits from scrutiny.  When people claim that you are insulting their “deeply held religious beliefs” or label you as “intolerant” for denouncing racism, this is an attempt to silence opposition and gain some sort of privileged immunity. Why is the open-season on ideas so important?

Because, ideas are everything, and bad ideas can spread, and if left unchecked, can take us down very destructive paths.  I am not okay with people believing whatever comforts them — not those beliefs which have harmful consequences for other people, at any rate.  

People are more important then beliefs.  No exceptions.

The only way to combat bad ideas is with good ideas.  Bad ideas need to be attacked forcefully, ideally at their roots.  For that, we need people willing to stand up and call out bullshit when they see it.  In the “post-fact” society we are living in, this is more important then ever.  Freedom, equality, reason, and scientific inquiry should be fought for at every turn. “I want to believe as many true things as possible, and as few false things as possible”, to quote Matt Dillahunty, and I want others to do the same.  It is imperative to having a functional society that we do so.  Thanks for reading.


*The “Marketplace of Ideas” comes from this video by TheraminTrees on this same topic.  Well worth the watch:

** While we should make every effort to tolerate people who are different then us, we do not need to tolerate the opinions or beliefs shared by said people, nor about said people.  People of different backgrounds, ethnicity, and sexual orientation deserve respect.  However, we do not need to respect the opinions of others about these people.  It is intolerance to pass judgment on people based solely on their skin color or sexual preferences –  it is not intolerance to take a stand against racism and homophobia.